Reply to Response to Vacuous standards - Subversion of the OSAC standards-development process

Geoffrey Stewart Morrison; Cedric Neumann; Patrick Henry Geoghegan; Gary Edmond; Tim Grant; R Brent Ostrum; Paul Roberts; Michael Saks; Denise Syndercombe Court; William C Thompson; Sandy Zabell

doi:10.1016/j.fsisyn.2021.100149

Reply to Response to Vacuous standards - Subversion of the OSAC standards-development process

Forensic Sci Int Synerg. 2021 May 3:3:100149. doi: 10.1016/j.fsisyn.2021.100149. eCollection 2021.

Authors

Geoffrey Stewart Morrison^{1

2}, Cedric Neumann³, Patrick Henry Geoghegan^{4

5}, Gary Edmond⁶, Tim Grant⁷, R Brent Ostrum⁸, Paul Roberts^{9

10}, Michael Saks¹¹, Denise Syndercombe Court¹², William C Thompson¹³, Sandy Zabell¹⁴

Affiliations

¹ Forensic Data Science Laboratory & Forensic Speech Science Laboratory, Computer Science Department & Aston Institute for Forensic Linguistics, Aston University, Birmingham, UK.
² Forensic Evaluation Ltd, Birmingham, UK.
³ Two N's Forensics Inc, Brookings, SD, USA.
⁴ Department of Biomedical Engineering, Aston University, Birmingham, UK.
⁵ Forensic Data Science Laboratory, Computer Science Department & Aston Institute for Forensic Linguistics, Aston University, Birmingham, UK.
⁶ Faculty of Law and Justice, University of New South Wales, Sydney, NSW, Australia.
⁷ Aston Institute for Forensic Linguistics, Aston University, Birmingham, UK.
⁸ Forensic Document Examination Section, Science and Engineering Directorate, Canada Border Services Agency, Ottawa, ON, Canada.
⁹ School of Law, University of Nottingham, Nottingham, UK.
¹⁰ China University of Political Science and Law, Beijing, China.
¹¹ Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law, Department of Psychology, And Center for Law, Science & Innovation, Arizona State University, Phoenix, AZ, USA.
¹² King's Forensics, King's College London, London, UK.
¹³ Departments of Criminology and Psychology, and School of Law, University of California, Irvine, CA, USA.
¹⁴ Departments of Mathematics and Statistics, Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, USA.

Abstract

This Letter to the Editor is a reply to Mohammed et al. (2021) https://doi.org/10.1016/j.fsisyn.2021.100145, which in turn is a response to Morrison et al. (2020) "Vacuous standards - subversion of the OSAC standards-development process" https://doi.org/10.1016/j.fsisyn.2020.06.005.

Keywords: Forensic science; Method validation; Quality management; Standard; Validation.